> Mac Breck wrote:
>>> Brian Henderson wrote:
>>>> Wickeddoll wrote:
>>>>> I still disagree. I don't think he (or Anna) would joyfully
>>>>> "stomp" people, the way Zachariah and Urinal do. It's
>>>>> interesting to me that you male viewers (not that you guys here
>>>>> speak for all) have a wildly different perspective than
>>>>> Supernatural's largest audience chunk, women ages 18-34. (that
>>>>> magic demographic again, huh?) No doubt many of the young
>>>>> fangirls are impervious to *any* fault with this show, and only
>>>>> watch cuz the guys are "cute" *rolling eyes* but I really don't
>>>>> think that's all there is to it for many - certainly not for me,
>>>>> since I'm old enough to be their mother, and am in no way a
>>>>> "cougar". (I didn't even like men in their early 20s back when I
>>>>> was a cute young thing myself - they were soooo dull)
>>>> Given the right conditions, I really have no doubt that Cas or Anna
>>>> would do whatever it took to get the job done. In the last
>>>> episode, I have no doubt that of Dean had refused to give Cas the
>>>> amulet, he would have just taken it.
>>> Of course - mission before decorum. I don't have a problem with
>>> that at all.
>> However, I don't see Cas or Anna going to the lengths of breaking
>> Dean's legs or giving him Stage-4 stomach cancer, or removing Sam's
>> lungs like that ass Zach did.
> But Zach, asshole that he is, was doing that to persuade Dean;
> everyone knows Sam is Dean's biggest weakness. Wrong? Oh yeah. But
> it's understandable.
However, Zach wanted to bring on the Apocalypse, and that was wrong.
Not only were his ends wrong, but so were his means. He was wrong all
the way around.
>>>> Now I'll be honest, and this goes for lots of fans out there, male
>>>> and female, is the absurd attachment to the actors over the plot.
>>>> At the 2008 San Diego Comicon, I sat through the Bones panel when
>>>> they had David Boreanaz on the panel, and there were so many
>>>> pathetic female fangirls there fawning over him that anyone who
>>>> actually gave a damn about the show couldn't get a question in
>>>> edgewise. The same largely figures into Supernatural fandom, there
>>>> are a lot of female fangirls who don't give a damn about the plot,
>>>> they don't care about the story, they just want to watch Jared and
>>>> Jensen run around looking hot.
>>> Oh sweetie, I saw it really prevalent in the "La Femme Nikita"
>>> fandom. It was both frightening and disgusting. I went through
>>> that phase about TV/pop stars, too....when I was *15* not in my
>>> freaking 20s!
>>>> It's not just female fans, there are tons of male fans on this
>>>> newsgroup who act the same way about female characters in shows.
>>>> The only thing they want is to see hot female X in a bikini, no
>>>> matter how stupid it might be in the context of the story. My wife
>>>> and I, both being somewhat older, think all of those people need to
>>>> grow the hell up and learn how to keep their hormones in check.
>>> But in the end, does it really matter what a viewer gets out of a
>>> show/movie? I see it as the Britney Factor. I think she's a
>>> no-talent bimbo, who probably uses Auto-Tune for her recordings.
>>> She lip-syncs
>>> her "concerts" which is classic for untalented vocalists. BUT
>>> middle-aged men tend to see her as the cheerleader they could never
>> Hey, I don't know what you consider middle aged, but I'm a 52 year
>> old guy who finds Britney to be a 100% boring, no-talent bimbo. I
>> don't know what *anybody* sees in her. If she were to have a
>> concert on TV, I couldn't change the channel quickly enough. The
>> female singers I listen to are Pat Benatar, Amy Lee (Evanescence),
>> Sarah McLachlan, Kelly Sweet, Dolores O'Riordan (The Cranberries),
>> Bonnie Raitt ("Luck of the Draw"), Trisha Yearwood (Christmas
>> album), Linda Ronstadt ("Get Closer"), Roxette, Karen Carpenter,
>> Vanessa Williams ("Star Bright"), a little LeAnn Rimes, and even
>> Avril Lavigne and Taylor Swift.
Glad you got a laugh out of that.
> OK, you don't like her, but I swear, I've met so many guys in our
> age group (I'm 51) who have the major hots for her.
Knuckle-draggers? Sub-100 I.Q. types?
> Hubby's hot for
> Benatar (she *still* looks fantastic, that bitch LOL)
Benatar's a tiny, tiny girl, with a BIG voice and lots of range. I have
and like almost all of her albums, but a late favorite is "Tropico"
(especially for "Painted Desert").
> I love everyone
> you mentioned except the Cranberries (a little too new-age for me),
I only have "No Need to Argue" and got that for "Zombie" and ended up
liking all of the album.
How about Nightnoise? Check out their original album by the same name
on the Windham Hill label, copyright 1992. It's a good Celtic winter
> Sarah McLachlan, (too easy-listening) never heard of Kelly Sweet,
Both have beautiful voices. Kelly Sweet's first album, also easy
listening, ("we are one") has some songs that not in English, ...three
French and one sounds a little Italian, and I don't care. I don't know
what she's singing, but she sounds amazing. The album also includes a
variation of Aerosmith's "Dream On" and it's both vastly different and
> into Yearwood,
"The Sweetest Gift" is a great Christmas album. I'm not big into
Country & Western, but I like this one.
Ever listen to Chris Isaak? Check out "Heart Shaped World" (1989)
"Kings of the Highway"
"Blue Spanish Sky".
> Roxette, Rimes, Lavigne or Swift. LOVE Bonnie Raitt.
> Her song "Let's Give Them Something To Talk About" is a perfect
> description of how my husband and I got together.
Trouble is, that song got played too much, IMO, much like The Eagles
"Heartache Tonight" which I cannot stand to hear to this day.
On that album, "I Can't Make You Love Me" is special (poignant) for me
because it's the song of me breaking up with my ex-girlfriend.
> Everyone else saw sparks long
> before I did - the perspective of the lead vocals mirrors what
> happened with us *exactly*. We were assigned to the same base,
> George AFB in Victorville, CA. He and I became friends at Mass,
> rather than the hospital, but of course we had a nodding acquaintance
> at work. Since
> he had a car and I didn't, he offered to drive me to softball
> practices/games. That got the tongues wagging. Then when they'd ask
> me if something was going on, and I'd deny it, they would get
> downright insulted that I'd "lied" to them. I couldn't understand
> why they didn't believe me; this was 1980s California, not 1945
> Mississippi! Then, like in the song, I brought the subject up with
> him, and from the very pained look on his face, it dawned on me that
> he was into me. The rest, as
> they say, is history.
>>> (I swear, I've never met a young man who had the hots for her -
>>> have you?) Girls, as with Madonna,
>> At least Madonna could SING.
> Eventually - in the early days she had the same tinny, thin voice as
> Paula Abdul. Gawd, the two of them were awful.
Must've been before I ever heard Madonna sing.
> But Madonna, unlike
> Abdul, got singing lessons. Good for her.
>>> like to emulate her (which isn't at all
>>> healthy, IMO) then there are those who actually like her so-called
>> I like some of her music.
> Twitney or Madonna? Madonna chooses pretty good songs, but I could
> never get past her voice.
Madonna, of course!
>>> Whatever the reason, people like her, which I accept. I love
>>> Janet Jackson's work, and she's one of the weakest singers out
>>> I like the songs she chooses - usually.
>> No, no, no...not for me.
> I understand. :-)
>>> David Byrne (former lead
>>> of the group, Talking Heads) is my absolute favorite musician of all
>>> time, but I know his vocal range goes from about A to C. But it's
>>> okay, because I like the sound of his voice, and totally *love* his
>> I'm that way with Gary Puckett and the Union Gap, and Eric Clapton.
> Yeah, those guys don't have a lot of range, but they have a lot of
There's a quality to Gary Puckett's voice that I like a lot. As for
Clapton, my fovorite songs that come to mind are:
"Knockin' on Heaven's Door"
"Peaches and Diesel"
"Tears in Heaven"
August ("Grand Illusion" - a *great* driving song.)
>> My favorite band is Pink Floyd, ....but I also very much like Kansas,
>> The Eagles, The Law, Bad Company, Three Doors Down, Dire Straits,
My favorite Dire Straits songs are:
"Sultans of Swing" and _everything_ on "Brothers in Arms".
>> Boston, Alan Parsons Project (have almost all the albums.),
>> Metallica, Queensryche, Genesis, Led Zeppelin, and some Coldplay
> Never heard Law, Three Doors Down, can't stand APP (hubby loves them),
You can't stand APP ??? Ack! How is that possible?
Some highlights from memory:
"I, Robot" ("I Wouldn't Want to Be Like You" & "Some Other Time")
"Pyramid" ("Shadow of a Lonely Man")
"Turn of a Friendly Card" (The whole album but especially "The Gold
"Eye in the Sky" ("Eye in the Sky" and "Old and Wise")
"Ammonia Avenue" ("Prime Time")
> and I'm not into Coldplay.
I only have "Parachutes" and got into it because a lot of the music from
"John Doe" (the 1 season FOX TV series) was from that album.
> All of the others are cool with me. But
> Kansas' "Carry On Wayward Son" has been purged from my iPod,
> because Supernatural played it out the ass.
Hey, it fits.
My favorite Kansas songs are:
"Cheyenne Anthem" and "Magnum Opus" from "Leftoverture" (same as "Carry
On Wayward Son") and "Dust in the Wind" (which got played too much but I
still like it.) Unfortunately, "Cheyenne Anthem" and "Magnum Opus"
hardly ever get played.
Mac Breck (KoshN)
"Babylon 5: Crusade" (1999)
Durkani: It doesn't matter if they believe us. Sooner or later the
truth's going to come out. The truth is....
Kendarr: ....out of fashion.